Comments on: To P2 or not P2, that is the question… http://kino-eye.com/2006/04/30/to-p2-or-not-to-p2/ "Everybody who cares for his art, seeks the essence of his own technique." -- Dziga Vertov (1922) Fri, 27 Apr 2012 15:51:42 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: David Tames http://kino-eye.com/2006/04/30/to-p2-or-not-to-p2/comment-page-1/#comment-184947 David Tames Thu, 04 Sep 2008 02:13:13 +0000 http://kino-eye.com/2006/04/30/to-p2-or-not-to-p2/#comment-184947 Patrick, For all practical purposes, Sony's SxS media used with their new XDCAM EX cameras and Panasonic's P2 media are pretty much the same thing. The biggest difference for all practical purposes is that P2 cards are larger (Cardbus form-factor) than the smaller SxS cards (with a smaller Expressbus form-factor) and I do believe the P2 cards support a higher data rate, but that's not really an issue since Sony is using a lower-data rate codec for XDCAM EX than Panasonic's DVCPRO HD. Now most people will tell you, DVCPRO HD looks better without any MPEG artifacts like XDCAM EX but on the other hand XDCAM EX offers longer recording times. Patrick, For all practical purposes, Sony’s SxS media used with their new XDCAM EX cameras and Panasonic’s P2 media are pretty much the same thing. The biggest difference for all practical purposes is that P2 cards are larger (Cardbus form-factor) than the smaller SxS cards (with a smaller Expressbus form-factor) and I do believe the P2 cards support a higher data rate, but that’s not really an issue since Sony is using a lower-data rate codec for XDCAM EX than Panasonic’s DVCPRO HD. Now most people will tell you, DVCPRO HD looks better without any MPEG artifacts like XDCAM EX but on the other hand XDCAM EX offers longer recording times.

]]> By: Patrick Loots http://kino-eye.com/2006/04/30/to-p2-or-not-to-p2/comment-page-1/#comment-182432 Patrick Loots Thu, 28 Aug 2008 12:25:27 +0000 http://kino-eye.com/2006/04/30/to-p2-or-not-to-p2/#comment-182432 I am a student from South Africa and i am starting out in video editing and i am looking to buy a video camera, can any one tell me what the real difference between P2 & XD is? and replay to this email adress. ploots [at] yahoo [dot] com I am a student from South Africa and i am starting out in video editing and i am looking to buy a video camera, can any one tell me what the real difference between P2 & XD is? and replay to this email adress. ploots [at] yahoo [dot] com

]]> By: David Tames http://kino-eye.com/2006/04/30/to-p2-or-not-to-p2/comment-page-1/#comment-121011 David Tames Mon, 07 Apr 2008 12:32:19 +0000 http://kino-eye.com/2006/04/30/to-p2-or-not-to-p2/#comment-121011 Demoney, one more thing, given that P2 capacity is now up to 16GB with 32GB cards around the corner, many concerns about the P2 system are going away. My only real concern with P2 has been capacity and cost per card. As far as reliability, they are rock solid. I had a FireStore fail me recently on an interview shoot, and a P2 card I had as backup saved the day. I trust P2 cards, they are rock solid reliable. I'm less crazy about tape, and I certainly would not trust a Firestore when you only have one chance to capture something. Demoney, one more thing, given that P2 capacity is now up to 16GB with 32GB cards around the corner, many concerns about the P2 system are going away. My only real concern with P2 has been capacity and cost per card. As far as reliability, they are rock solid. I had a FireStore fail me recently on an interview shoot, and a P2 card I had as backup saved the day. I trust P2 cards, they are rock solid reliable. I’m less crazy about tape, and I certainly would not trust a Firestore when you only have one chance to capture something.

]]> By: David Tames http://kino-eye.com/2006/04/30/to-p2-or-not-to-p2/comment-page-1/#comment-121009 David Tames Mon, 07 Apr 2008 12:30:03 +0000 http://kino-eye.com/2006/04/30/to-p2-or-not-to-p2/#comment-121009 Demoney, it's not that the P2 cameras are not good for documentary type filmmaking, it's just that the P2 workflow requires card changing and shuffling, so that it's not as convenient as tape. With an HDV tape you can roll for 60 minutes before changing tape. This means you can roll for a long time and change when it's convenient, as long as it's before the 64 minute end of tape. P2 just requires more media management. Sports folks like long lenses and the ability to quick zoom, so cameras with interchangeable lenses are favored for sports. I can't get into a long "what's the right camera" thing here, but there's lots of interesting discussion on "which camera" at DVXuser.com and DVinfo.net. Demoney, it’s not that the P2 cameras are not good for documentary type filmmaking, it’s just that the P2 workflow requires card changing and shuffling, so that it’s not as convenient as tape. With an HDV tape you can roll for 60 minutes before changing tape. This means you can roll for a long time and change when it’s convenient, as long as it’s before the 64 minute end of tape. P2 just requires more media management. Sports folks like long lenses and the ability to quick zoom, so cameras with interchangeable lenses are favored for sports. I can’t get into a long “what’s the right camera” thing here, but there’s lots of interesting discussion on “which camera” at DVXuser.com and DVinfo.net.

]]> By: Demoney http://kino-eye.com/2006/04/30/to-p2-or-not-to-p2/comment-page-1/#comment-120958 Demoney Mon, 07 Apr 2008 06:38:27 +0000 http://kino-eye.com/2006/04/30/to-p2-or-not-to-p2/#comment-120958 You said the Panasonic's P2 isn't good for documentary type filmmaking. Can you recommend an HD camera that is suitable for documentary filmmaking in the sports (basketball) genre You said the Panasonic’s P2 isn’t good for documentary type filmmaking. Can you recommend an HD camera that is suitable for documentary filmmaking in the sports (basketball) genre

]]> By: david http://kino-eye.com/2006/04/30/to-p2-or-not-to-p2/comment-page-1/#comment-67438 david Fri, 03 Aug 2007 12:07:55 +0000 http://kino-eye.com/2006/04/30/to-p2-or-not-to-p2/#comment-67438 It depends on the nature of the file corruption. If it was a "soft crash" a utility like <a href="http://www.alsoft.com/DiskWarrior/" rel="nofollow">Disk Warrior</a> on the Mac or equivalent utility under Windows might do the trick. It's important to make sure your media is always in THREE places. This reduces the risk of data loss if a hard drive becomes corrupt. I call these the "Working Copy" the "Backup" and the "Archive" this is especially important with P2 media, since you don't have tape as one of the copies, providing an "Archive" of sorts. A program like P2 Log does not deal with disk corruption problems. It depends on the nature of the file corruption. If it was a “soft crash” a utility like Disk Warrior on the Mac or equivalent utility under Windows might do the trick. It’s important to make sure your media is always in THREE places. This reduces the risk of data loss if a hard drive becomes corrupt. I call these the “Working Copy” the “Backup” and the “Archive” this is especially important with P2 media, since you don’t have tape as one of the copies, providing an “Archive” of sorts. A program like P2 Log does not deal with disk corruption problems.

]]> By: john http://kino-eye.com/2006/04/30/to-p2-or-not-to-p2/comment-page-1/#comment-67342 john Thu, 02 Aug 2007 20:56:36 +0000 http://kino-eye.com/2006/04/30/to-p2-or-not-to-p2/#comment-67342 I just shot with the HVX200 and firestore harddrive. After transferring footage onto another harddrive- this drive crashed and the files became corrupted. Is there any way to repair these files? Will P2 Log Pro do the trick? Would like to know before I invest $200 in the program. John I just shot with the HVX200 and firestore harddrive. After transferring footage onto another harddrive- this drive crashed and the files became corrupted. Is there any way to repair these files? Will P2 Log Pro do the trick? Would like to know before I invest $200 in the program.

John

]]> By: david http://kino-eye.com/2006/04/30/to-p2-or-not-to-p2/comment-page-1/#comment-54530 david Sat, 02 Jun 2007 15:44:50 +0000 http://kino-eye.com/2006/04/30/to-p2-or-not-to-p2/#comment-54530 Yes, the P2 store can reformat P2 cards so you can use them again right away without spending time reformatting them in the camera. If there is an error in the P2 to P2 Store transfer, you should try it again. Make sure you are using the "Copy + Verify" option. Also, make sure that the P2 store is not disturbed in any way during transfers. It can ber temperamental. If you do a copy and verify and you get an error, you then need to determine if the problem is the P2 card or the P2 store. At this point you should try downloading the card from the camera. If that fails, it's time to call your local support guru or the rental house you got the camera/cord from. There may be some disaster recovery they can do. Yes, the P2 store can reformat P2 cards so you can use them again right away without spending time reformatting them in the camera. If there is an error in the P2 to P2 Store transfer, you should try it again. Make sure you are using the “Copy + Verify” option. Also, make sure that the P2 store is not disturbed in any way during transfers. It can ber temperamental. If you do a copy and verify and you get an error, you then need to determine if the problem is the P2 card or the P2 store. At this point you should try downloading the card from the camera. If that fails, it’s time to call your local support guru or the rental house you got the camera/cord from. There may be some disaster recovery they can do.

]]> By: ashok http://kino-eye.com/2006/04/30/to-p2-or-not-to-p2/comment-page-1/#comment-53390 ashok Tue, 29 May 2007 09:12:17 +0000 http://kino-eye.com/2006/04/30/to-p2-or-not-to-p2/#comment-53390 does P2 store automatically format P2 cards for reuse by camera, once the copying from P2 card to P2 store is complete? if yes, what happens if there is an error in copying from P2 card to P2 store and P2 card is formatted by P2 store? do i lose all my data? does P2 store automatically format P2 cards for reuse by camera, once the copying from P2 card to P2 store is complete? if yes, what happens if there is an error in copying from P2 card to P2 store and P2 card is formatted by P2 store? do i lose all my data?

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